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child supportBy Matt Allen

Editor, DadsDivorce.com

You’ve arrived home from work and as you sort through the day’s mail you see there’s a note from your ex-wife asking for payment for Tommy’s new baseball uniforms and asking you to pick up some new clothes and toiletry items for Susie when she comes to stay with you next weekend.

But wait a minute; you’ve paid your child support this month and on time like you have every other payment.

With all the money you are paying for child support, why are you being asked to provide additional support to cover these other expenses?

It begs the question, what does child support cover?

Obviously the laws determining what child expenses are not included in the direct child support vary by state, but in general, extracurricular activities, uninsured medical expenses and educational expenses are NOT included in the basic child support amount unless specifically included in a settlement agreement, according to Cordell & Cordell partner Spencer Williams.  

He said child support generally covers food, clothing and shelter-type expenses.

How Much Should You Be Paying?
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But when you’re asked to cover expenses you think child support should be covering, you need to think of child support differently, said Michigan Divorce Lawyer Jennifer Paine, another Cordell & Cordell attorney.

"Parents tend to think about child support as a one-way street: I pay support to you for our children, and you are responsible for using that money to support our children," Paine said. "Most state child support schemes, however, calculate child support as a two-way street: you pay support to me and I to you, and we pool the support and each take a share."

While your child support payments are generally a set amount, the calculations used to reach that amount are largely guesstimates of the amount of support a child needs to needs to sustain a standard of living near the marital standard of living, according to Paine.

child support divorceSo the support you pay is only the share your kids need while they are with your ex-wife. You are still responsible for support during your time, just as your ex-wife is still responsible for support during her time.

"As my father said after my sister crashed our first car in high school, you can never know completely when and how much your children will cost you," Paine said.

Paine warns to be cautious, though. Remember to track your spending during your parenting time if you believe your ex-wife is not using the support you pay to actually support your kids.

Keep a journal of what your kids bring to parenting time and what they end up needing from you during parenting time. Keep receipts of what you buy and request reimbursement for an amount you think is reasonable.

Are you constantly spending a lot of money on everyday items your kids have such as toothpaste or underwear?

"If you are purchasing ordinary items, this may be a sign that your ex-wife is not using the support properly," Paine said. "You may have reason to investigate and to motion your court for contempt against her for diverting support."

When you meet with your attorney, be sure to bring your original divorce decree to show what factors the court took into consideration when setting the original support amount.

For more information on child support laws and how much you should be paying, contact Cordell & Cordell to speak to an attorney in your state.

 


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written by liz, November 29, 2010
Ok so if the ex's want to sign them up for a sport are we responsible to pay for half?
mallen
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written by mallen, November 29, 2010
Depending upon the terms of your judgment, you may be able to avoid the expense. If the terms of your judgment require your written approval, agreement in advance to specific dollar amounts, or a set length of advance notice to respond to the proposal, and your ex-wife did not comply with these requirements, then she may be found to have acted unilaterally and is solely responsible for the cost. These types of conditions are routinely advised by experienced family law attorneys representing fathers. Conversely, attorneys who are less familiar with the issues or who represent the custodial mother may propose vague language which gives the mother a "blank check" so that the father must pay regardless.

With respect to your children’s extracurricular activities, let me warn you that any “veto” power will likely be mutual. In other words, if your decree states that a party who does not agree upon an activity is not required to fund the activity, then your ex may very well object to every activity your children wish to participate in, thus leaving you with the entire financial burden for any sport or lesson that is important to you.
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written by gabrielle, April 15, 2011
can an ex wife take you back to court for more money even after several years even if the man has paid on time every week plus other unnecessary expenses?
mallen
Child Support Modification
written by mallen, April 15, 2011
In general, you can file a motion to modify child support if you can establish a substantial change of circumstances. The courts consider a significant change in your income, the recipient’s income, or the needs of the child to be a substantial change.

Some state statutes also provide that you can motion to modify child support if it is has been more than 3 years since the date of the last order.

Whether she is entitled to money will depend on the facts of your circumstance. For an estimated amount of child support you should be paying, please visit: http://www.dadsdivorce.com/ind...ainmenu-40
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written by George Rodriguez, May 11, 2011
If I am taking my child on a trip but her passport needs to be renewed, do I have to pay for the renewal since I am the one taking her on the trip or does the child support I give my ex-wife cover that?
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what does child support cover
written by DadsDivorce admin, October 10, 2011
Obviously the laws determining what child expenses are not included in the direct child support vary by state, but in general, extracurricular activities, uninsured medical expenses and educational expenses are NOT included in the basic child support amount unless specifically included in a settlement agreement, according to Cordell & Cordell partner Spencer Williams.

He said child support generally covers food, clothing and shelter-type expenses.

Child Support Calculator for each state: http://www.dadsdivorce.com/chi...ainmenu-40

But when you’re asked to cover expenses you think child support should be covering, you need to think of child support differently, said Jennifer Paine, another Cordell & Cordell attorney.

"Parents tend to think about child support as a one-way street: I pay support to you for our children, and you are responsible for using that money to support our children," Paine said. "Most state child support schemes, however, calculate child support as a two-way street: you pay support to me and I to you, and we pool the support and each take a share."

While your child support payments are generally a set amount, the calculations used to reach that amount are largely guesstimates of the amount of support a child needs to needs to sustain a standard of living near the marital standard of living, according to Paine.
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written by chuck, November 05, 2011
i have extensive injures i got for an accident when i was young. i received a montly settlement to cover medical cost and living being that i cant get insurance for pre-existing injuries. i aM STARTing to have surgeries because my body is not the same . i have my child 3 days out the week and we alternate weekends. she has no job but she went got a house a car and keep expensive things. is it fair for me to pay her over 1100 for child support even thou i have my child the same now but a whole lot more if you add from when was born and i have 3 other kids i take care of. the judge just dont wanna hear that i dont have it
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Child Support Modification
written by DadsDivorce admin, November 06, 2011
If you believe you are paying too much support, you should file a petition to have your child support amount recalculated. In most states a “change in circumstances” is required. I would need to know more about your case to determine if you have had a sufficient change in circumstances. A change in circumstances can be a change in the amount of time you see your child, a change in either party’s ability to pay, increased travel expenses or any other factors courts in your jurisdiction consider.

Additionally, if the child’s mother is voluntarily unemployed it may be possible to have income imputed to her. Imputation of income allows the court to credit what she should be making, if employed. Child support orders and modifications may be based on earning capacity even in the absence of a showing the obligor intentionally and deliberately sought to avoid family financial responsibilities. If income is imputed to her, it is likely your support obligation will go down.

You should contact an attorney who is licensed in your state to further discuss the specifics of your situation. Cordell & Cordell offices: http://www.cordellcordell.com/offices



Jill A. Duffy is an Associate Attorney in the Troy, Mich., office of Cordell & Cordell. She is licensed to practice in the state of Michigan. Ms. Duffy received her BA in Psychology and Spanish and graduated Magna Cum Laude from Oakland University. She received her Juris Doctor from Michigan State University College of Law and graduated Magna Cum Laude.
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Court order vs gentlemans agreement
written by Candice , November 16, 2011
My ex used to pay me R35.00 a month but was retrenched in January 2011, I let him pay the odd R500.00 or whateve he could, then he got a job with his dad but for much less than what he was getting ,we agreed verbally and via e-mail that until he gets a better job I would accept R2500.00 and forfeit the extra money he would pay twice a year for summer cloths and winter cloths and shoes etc He now has a good job as finacial
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Stop looking at your kids as dollar amounts!
written by Annoyed and Disgusted, December 29, 2011
First things first, crooked people, child support is about making sure that the babies are taken care of. All I keep hearing is dollars this and dollars that and wah-wah-wah. I'm a single mother and chose to just be rid of the father for my child's sake. Would it be nice to have some help? Yes! But you have to do, what you have to do for the sake of the well being of your child.

Dads - take care of your kids because you want to and not because you have to. Your kids need you! There are some crooked woman out there that use child support for their own personal gain true, but for the more often than not the woman is the main caregiver and she is busting her butt every single day to take care of the child. Just because you divorce the mom doesn't mean you divorce the child.

Moms - Use your child support the way it is intended. By not doing so you ruin it for other children AND for your child. Don't be so darn greedy.

Now, let's review. It is about personal responsibility. Be men and women of courage. Think of your child first and not as a dollar amount. Please!
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Which way is up
written by Chris LaGrange, January 04, 2012
I am constantly fighting the battle with my ex.

It seems that every time we talk that i can not say a word without it being a fight and her taking it seriously. I have a few questions and i ned help if possible. What are my right in regards to making sure that my sons medical issues are all taken care of. He has braces that need to come off and also a doctor that i feel he needs to see more ofter due to his medications. But when i approach her on the subject all i get is yelled at and told that is none of my business. The last time i asked i was told that if i wanted all of this taken care of than i need to put more money in her account.

I am feeling like i am getting messed over big here. I am paying $1000 a month for 1 child and $500 a month in spousal to include providing all the medical and dental insurance and half of all associated bills.

Please help
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Foreign national and Remo
written by Mike Murphy, March 18, 2012
I have a son in the Uk. My ex girlfriend has applied through the REMO agreement for child support. I am self employed and have no idea where my next check will come in and as I am a British National here on a visa I cannot work outside my area of expertise. I also have 4 children with my wife and to be honest we have no idea whether we will have to move back to the UK just after the court hearing through burning through our savings and having hardly anything in the bank. Will the judge take these things into consideration? Do you have any advice for me?
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Manager
written by Jimmy Verner, April 17, 2012
For more information about child support, visit The Child Support Web
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why
written by disgruntled with femnistic laws , April 18, 2012
I believe if a man doesn't want a child and offers to pay for a abortion or morning afther pill an the female does not except it should be her sole responsibility to care for that child she alone made the decision too have
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Miss
written by Tam, November 12, 2012
Its called a condom disgruntled poster. Use one then
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If I make more money after she divorced me why should I pay more child support?
written by Brian, December 03, 2012
If my income improves after my divorce is finalized and i have already been making cs payments that exceed what the divorce decree stipulates then why would I have to pay more cs if I made more money? She divorced me when I caught her cheating with my "Best Friend". She shouldnt be able to interfere in my life in any way now.
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Trying to help a friend
written by Margaret, January 17, 2013
Hi,
My friend was just this morning ordered to pay $1100 a month in child support for his two children with his ex wife. He works at a piece rate factory where currently he barely makes $1500 a month. Is there anything he can do for the months that he doesn't make his normal rate? His winters and springs are always slower than summer/fall. Also, his ex lives with her grandmother and pays no bills and pulls in $1000, at least, a month working in a salon. She says she pays her grandmother to babysit the kids, something we know to not be true at all. If he contests these things does he even stand a chance? He's having a rough time paying his bills and everything. Plus he's unclear what all this support is going to because his daughters are routinely sent to his house in clothing that is too tight and too short, plus his ex gets foodstamps, receives Medicaid, and again, doesn't pay any bills. The state is Michigan if that helps.
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Do I need to adjust the Child Support
written by Andy, January 22, 2013
I was recently legally separated. We both signed a very strongly worded separation agreement that broke down all the payments I would need to make for Child Support. At that time I was making 3 times her salary, she is significantly under-paid and can't find better employment. She also cheated on me with a co-worker and had a 9 month long relationship with this loser - thus causing the separation. I recently got a huge promotion at work, +16% pay raise and bigger bonus potential. Do I have to re-review the child support calculations or can I just keep quiet about it. If I do have to pay more, will the judge require me to pay the add'l per month for the months that I paid the original?
I pay $350, but pay all medical $175, all day care about $240 and we split 50/50. She shops non-stop and has burned thru about $15K in savings in 3 months.
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tired
written by jocelyn mcbryan, February 10, 2013
new wives and girlfriends these are choices you made this is not your business poor victimized support payers really?
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Child support for rent
written by Used, March 13, 2013
The mother of my two daughters has not worked in 3 years and she is using child support to pay her rent (we have joint custody) and yet I still pay on top of child support all expenses. Can you get away with that? We are in the state of CA.
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Need Help
written by Adam Hendrickson, March 19, 2013
Can anyone tell me in the state of Indiana what the child support goes for. My ex wife has not worked since being divorce since 2006 and has no income. I am in the military and my child support for the two minor child we have she uses on her personal bills
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child suppport
written by nina harris, March 19, 2013
The father of my son states that he wants to put our son on his wife's insurance. He has insurance with his employer but want to drop it. I prefer not to have our son on his wife's insurance because of personal conflict. Also she did not adopt our son, so she can't put him on her family insurance, correct?
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I pay for commercial insurance and my ex wife wants me to drop my kids off of my insurance and put them on Medicaid
written by Warren , March 31, 2013
I pay for commercial insurance for my two kids and my ex wife wants me to drop my kids off of my insurance and put them on Medicaid. I told her no. She did it anyway. She claims its was the only way her and her current husband could get Medicaid. I told her repeatedly No. What should I do?
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FOR JOCELY MCBRYAN
written by Lala, April 05, 2013
tired
written by jocelyn mcbryan, February 10, 2013

"new wives and girlfriends these are choices you made this is not your business poor victimized support payers really?"


You're an ass. I normally don't succumb to insults, but your comment just reeks of bitterness and "payback."
First off- where do you get off involving new wives and girlfriends? From what I'm reading, most commentators are fathers.
Second- when your family increases, ALL children suffer the consequences; less time, money, attention, etc. Is it realistic, or even prudent, to suggest that when a divorced/separated father has new child[ren]with a different woman, this does not apply? Why? Because it is with a different woman? If the case was reversed, would your comment be the same?


Now on to my perspective:

Fathers/Mothers, pay your child support when it is due and the amount due. THIS IS FOR YOUR CHILDREN. If your circumstances change, use the courts to get the necessary help. My husband got a temporary suspension of Child support when he went unemployed. When he gained employement, he paid back in full all he owed. That seems like a reasonable arrangement to me.

Mothers/Fathers- STOP USING YOUR CHILD SUPPORT for things other than for your kids.






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grandma
written by Lina, April 25, 2013
MMy son pays child support for son with his girlfriend of one night . We spent all weekends with him during his 17 years, vacations, etc. Of course plus gifts, petty cash last years. The mother from the age of 8 did not take babysitter, travels 2-3 time in year and often overseas, loves everything expencive for her (Manhattan restaurants , gyms, clothes, plastic operations..., owns 4 properties, salary - from $50,000 to $ 90,000 (couple last years) in the same range as my son . My grandson and she never communicate with her parents. When i visit him home i see always empty refrigerator, dirt around... She asks to give more and more additional money to basic child support. I know that she lies. For 2nd half of grade 11 and first half of grade 12 she transfered him in private school. Etc, etc, etc. I very confused if there is a
control possible?
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What does he think $600 pays for?
written by Lemerson, May 02, 2013
Over half of that is day care which we BOTH need so we can work. That leaves about $250 for food, toiletries, clothing, medication, transportation (her bus pass is $11 a month!) I more than match that amount in what I provide for her but he wants me to send clothes, shampoo, and lotion on his weekend because he says he already paid for it.
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Try Counseling First
written by Couples Counselor Philadelphia, May 13, 2013
Not all couples are meant to stay together. For the sake of the kids, and your own financial health, give counseling a try before you quit.
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My knew number 1 fan; the prenuptial agreement; women protect yourself
written by K, May 20, 2013
Women; take care of yourself first-you need to be up to your best in order to be there for your children. PRENUPTIAL AGREEMENT! We are the ones who bear the children and are likely more at risk for health issues when we get older--higher medical bills just to take care of ourselves. Why lawyers and courts choose to ignore this--more and more women end up in poverty-we still have less opportunities for saving vs. our male counterparts. The mother always ends up with more of the brunt of it all and the juggling task of it all.

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